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	<title>Comments on: Helen Thomas Questions Bush Admin on Use of Torture</title>
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		<title>By: Spike</title>
		<link>http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/2008/04/24/helen-thomas-questions-bush-admin-on-use-of-torture/#comment-73558</link>
		<dc:creator>Spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 00:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little rationality lifts the quality of the debate here. Thanks for conrtbiuintg!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little rationality lifts the quality of the debate here. Thanks for conrtbiuintg!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/2008/04/24/helen-thomas-questions-bush-admin-on-use-of-torture/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 11:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Why aren&#039;t people who are employed by the American taxpayer, who lie to the American taxpayer, put behind bars, or at the very least prosecuted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Why aren&#39;t people who are employed by the American taxpayer, who lie to the American taxpayer, put behind bars, or at the very least prosecuted?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/2008/04/24/helen-thomas-questions-bush-admin-on-use-of-torture/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;isn&#039;t Ms. Perino Hot! I mean like thats whats important and stuff...you know what I mean and like duh.....yuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>isn&#39;t Ms. Perino Hot! I mean like thats whats important and stuff&#8230;you know what I mean and like duh&#8230;..yuck.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan J Hass</title>
		<link>http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/2008/04/24/helen-thomas-questions-bush-admin-on-use-of-torture/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan J Hass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Fools, so many fools. We HAD a candidate running for president who WOULD have impeached Cheney/Bush, who WOULD have given us a Single Payer Not-for Profit Health Care System, who WOULD have negotiated with Iran instead of making secret plans for another war. Dennis Kucinnich COULD have been the best president we have ever had, but we LET mainstream media tell us who to vote for, and he is now out of the race. Still want to stand up for what you believe in?  Write him in when you vote! He won&#039;t win, but you will have made a statement, and not caved in to politics as usual. If enough of us REALLY wanted to make a difference, we&#039;d do this, and not worrry about &quot;throwing away our vote.&quot;....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Fools, so many fools. We HAD a candidate running for president who WOULD have impeached Cheney/Bush, who WOULD have given us a Single Payer Not-for Profit Health Care System, who WOULD have negotiated with Iran instead of making secret plans for another war. Dennis Kucinnich COULD have been the best president we have ever had, but we LET mainstream media tell us who to vote for, and he is now out of the race. Still want to stand up for what you believe in?  Write him in when you vote! He won&#39;t win, but you will have made a statement, and not caved in to politics as usual. If enough of us REALLY wanted to make a difference, we&#39;d do this, and not worrry about &quot;throwing away our vote.&quot;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Fury</title>
		<link>http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/2008/04/24/helen-thomas-questions-bush-admin-on-use-of-torture/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Fury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Whores-to-power like Perino have been warned. Like the Nazi apologists and propagandists at Nuremberg, they are liable to prosecution for enabling crimes against humanity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ms. Thomas speaks for many millions and their children.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We will not be complicit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Whores-to-power like Perino have been warned. Like the Nazi apologists and propagandists at Nuremberg, they are liable to prosecution for enabling crimes against humanity.</p>
<p>Ms. Thomas speaks for many millions and their children.</p>
<p>We will not be complicit.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/2008/04/24/helen-thomas-questions-bush-admin-on-use-of-torture/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;In the matter of basic good manners:  Why is this young woman refering to an older woman as &quot;Helen&quot;?  As a small child most of us were taught that to be polite, when speaking to an elder use the title of Mr, Mrs or Miss.  Even the text here uses this young woman&#039;s last name and title while she refers to Ms Thomas so rudely by her first name.  This is a great lack of respect and rude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>In the matter of basic good manners:  Why is this young woman refering to an older woman as &quot;Helen&quot;?  As a small child most of us were taught that to be polite, when speaking to an elder use the title of Mr, Mrs or Miss.  Even the text here uses this young woman&#39;s last name and title while she refers to Ms Thomas so rudely by her first name.  This is a great lack of respect and rude.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/2008/04/24/helen-thomas-questions-bush-admin-on-use-of-torture/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I guess I just think its really sad that there is an entire blog dedicated to commending a woman for asking obvious questions. I mean, good for her? For doing something that no one else does? America freaks me out. Helen should be amongst the masses in protest, not a unique individual amongst masses of robots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>I guess I just think its really sad that there is an entire blog dedicated to commending a woman for asking obvious questions. I mean, good for her? For doing something that no one else does? America freaks me out. Helen should be amongst the masses in protest, not a unique individual amongst masses of robots.</p>
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		<title>By: G. William Walster, Ph. D.</title>
		<link>http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/2008/04/24/helen-thomas-questions-bush-admin-on-use-of-torture/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>G. William Walster, Ph. D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;In the film Judgement at Nuremberg, Spencer Tracy (Judge Dan Haywood) delivers this poignant summation of the Nuremburg Trials of four Nazi Judges.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&quot;There are those in our own country too who today speak of the &#039;protection of country&#039; -- of &#039;survival.&#039; A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient -- to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is &#039;survival as what?&#039; A country isn&#039;t a rock. It&#039;s not an extension of one&#039;s self. It&#039;s what it stands for. It&#039;s what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Before the people of the world let it now be noted that here, in our decision, this is what we stand for: justice, truth, and the value of a single human being.&quot; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The web site www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches contains:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&quot;... [T]he film ...  finishes by cutting to the core of the issue: how could this happen in a civilized country? The answer in essence is that &#039;all that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.&#039;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This lesson is encapsulated in the character of Ernst Janning (Burt Lancaster) a man of considerable intelligence who was not a &#039;good German who knew how to take orders, who sent men before him to be sterilized like so many digits&#039; nor a &#039;decayed, corrupt bigot, obsessed by the evil within himself.&#039; No, Ernst Janning (a fictional character who is actually a collage of several actual defendants) was &#039;worse than any of them because he knew what they were, and he went along with them. Ernst Jannings: Who made his life excrement, because he walked with them.&#039;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maximilian Schell plays a young German lawyer who argues that men cannot be found guilty for merely being loyal to their government; Lancaster plays one of the accused who argues for his own condemnation: &#039;I made my life excrement, because I walked with them&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Defendant Ernst Janning, (played by Burt Lancaster) struggles with his inner demons and begins to rise from the abyss, gaining a modicum of moral respite as he forcibly rebukes Schell, changes his plea to &quot;Guilty,&quot; and testifies as to the soul-destructive nature of &#039;a passing phase which became a way of life.&#039; Lancaster&#039;s Janning is truly tragic, more so because he so clearly understands that &#039;he made his life excrement when he walked with [the Nazis].&#039;&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Can we do nothing to keep our country and ourselves from also becoming &quot;excrement&quot; by permitting us even to be remotely associated with the &quot;evil doers&quot; in the Bush administration?  I believe we can.  Here are three suggestions:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• Let us speak out.  Otherwise, by our silence we shout that we condone crimes against humanity in the form of torture, which now cannot be denied.  See: www.democracynow.org/2008/4/10/headlines#1, http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/pdfs/OLCMemo1-19.pdf  and http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/php/docs_swi.php?DI=1&amp;text=who_was_who&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• Unless and until our country wipes the &quot;excrement&quot; of the Bush administration from itself, let us send whatever financial support we can to non-profit organizations whose mission is to preserve our Constitution and the civil liberties of everyone, everywhere.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• Let us petition the next administration to extradite to the World Court in The Hague, all those in the any administration who conspired to commit crimes against humanity.  How else can we demonstrate to the world that none of us is above the law and that &quot;our lives have not also been made excrement because we walked with them&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>In the film Judgement at Nuremberg, Spencer Tracy (Judge Dan Haywood) delivers this poignant summation of the Nuremburg Trials of four Nazi Judges.</p>
<p>&quot;There are those in our own country too who today speak of the &#39;protection of country&#39; &#8212; of &#39;survival.&#39; A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient &#8212; to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is &#39;survival as what?&#39; A country isn&#39;t a rock. It&#39;s not an extension of one&#39;s self. It&#39;s what it stands for. It&#39;s what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult!</p>
<p>Before the people of the world let it now be noted that here, in our decision, this is what we stand for: justice, truth, and the value of a single human being.&quot; </p>
<p>The web site <a href="http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches</a> contains:</p>
<p>&quot;&#8230; [T]he film &#8230;  finishes by cutting to the core of the issue: how could this happen in a civilized country? The answer in essence is that &#39;all that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.&#39;</p>
<p>This lesson is encapsulated in the character of Ernst Janning (Burt Lancaster) a man of considerable intelligence who was not a &#39;good German who knew how to take orders, who sent men before him to be sterilized like so many digits&#39; nor a &#39;decayed, corrupt bigot, obsessed by the evil within himself.&#39; No, Ernst Janning (a fictional character who is actually a collage of several actual defendants) was &#39;worse than any of them because he knew what they were, and he went along with them. Ernst Jannings: Who made his life excrement, because he walked with them.&#39;</p>
<p>Maximilian Schell plays a young German lawyer who argues that men cannot be found guilty for merely being loyal to their government; Lancaster plays one of the accused who argues for his own condemnation: &#39;I made my life excrement, because I walked with them&#39;.</p>
<p>Defendant Ernst Janning, (played by Burt Lancaster) struggles with his inner demons and begins to rise from the abyss, gaining a modicum of moral respite as he forcibly rebukes Schell, changes his plea to &quot;Guilty,&quot; and testifies as to the soul-destructive nature of &#39;a passing phase which became a way of life.&#39; Lancaster&#39;s Janning is truly tragic, more so because he so clearly understands that &#39;he made his life excrement when he walked with [the Nazis].&#39;&quot;</p>
<p>Can we do nothing to keep our country and ourselves from also becoming &quot;excrement&quot; by permitting us even to be remotely associated with the &quot;evil doers&quot; in the Bush administration?  I believe we can.  Here are three suggestions:</p>
<p>• Let us speak out.  Otherwise, by our silence we shout that we condone crimes against humanity in the form of torture, which now cannot be denied.  See: <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/10/headlines#1" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/10/headlines#1</a>, <a href="http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/pdfs/OLCMemo1-19.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/pdfs/OLCMemo1-19.pdf</a>  and <a href="http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/php/docs_swi.php?DI=1&#038;text=who_was_who" rel="nofollow">http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/php/docs_swi.php?DI=1&#038;text=who_was_who</a></p>
<p>• Unless and until our country wipes the &quot;excrement&quot; of the Bush administration from itself, let us send whatever financial support we can to non-profit organizations whose mission is to preserve our Constitution and the civil liberties of everyone, everywhere.</p>
<p>• Let us petition the next administration to extradite to the World Court in The Hague, all those in the any administration who conspired to commit crimes against humanity.  How else can we demonstrate to the world that none of us is above the law and that &quot;our lives have not also been made excrement because we walked with them&quot;?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 02:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I never thought I would ever see this country&#039;s leaders act more like our enemys than our enemys act.&lt;br /&gt;The administration&#039;s lies disgust me .&lt;br /&gt;Helen Thomas, the reporter, is a very honorable woman for standing up and speaking the truth and wanting the lies explained....&lt;br /&gt;This country needs a leader like Helen Thomas.  I can at least trust her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>I never thought I would ever see this country&#39;s leaders act more like our enemys than our enemys act.<br />The administration&#39;s lies disgust me .<br />Helen Thomas, the reporter, is a very honorable woman for standing up and speaking the truth and wanting the lies explained&#8230;.<br />This country needs a leader like Helen Thomas.  I can at least trust her.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Trying to get pathological liars to admit the truth is an impossibility.  The bigger shame is that such persons beget others just like them.  Everyone with an ounce of common sense knows the truth whether they hear it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Trying to get pathological liars to admit the truth is an impossibility.  The bigger shame is that such persons beget others just like them.  Everyone with an ounce of common sense knows the truth whether they hear it or not.</p>
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